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4 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2016 - 8:03AM #1
Chuuko Softman
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Just recently picked up the Capcom Arcade Cabinet with all 17 games for the extremely low sale price. Being a big fan of Gun Smoke and Ghost'n Goblins as a kid, I was thrilled to play them once more in their original state.

However, Gun Smoke felt vastly more difficult than it did when I played on the NES. Was the European NES version MUCH slower, similary to other PAL games back then? I completed it on the NES without dying but struggled like a maniac in the arcade version. Also, the bullets are the same colour as the background making it even harder. Was it realy like this? I think I used 8-10 continues before figuring out the first stage.

Perhaps I need a vertical monitor or a projector to play this properly. Was nearly impossible on a small monitor!

4 years ago  ::  Sep 08, 2016 - 9:37AM #2
Gogeta
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Never played Gun Smoke so I'm not especially informed, but it could be all of the below.


A) The European NES version was slower which made it easier to play.


B) The Arcade version was inherently different in many ways, perhaps to collect more quarters.


C) Capcom or their assigned developer did a poor job with the port leading to more issues/difficulty.


I'm leaning on A and B, but you can only know if you look into the originals perhaps through videos, perhaps through a physical version or other means.


The game's Wikipedia page lists a lot of differences (none about the bullet colour or speed), so it could be down to the arcade version being different: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun.Smoke

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 09, 2016 - 2:39AM #3
Chuuko Softman
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Thanks, Gogeta.


Was an interesting read discovering the differences between the arcade and NES version. There are 10 more bosses here compared to on the NES! I guess I can enjoy the arcade version as its own, better game. Will test it on the projector this weekend. Hopefully it will be easier to evade bullets.


You are probably very right with the difficulty being amped up for the arcade version. Makes total sense.


4 years ago  ::  Sep 09, 2016 - 1:12PM #4
Gogeta
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No problem.


I imagine there are even more differences, though you and I probably have to add them to Wikipedia. Perhaps, I'll look into it when I catch up on other Capcom 80s games.


You might not be that interested in this series, but Bionic Commando (related to Commando somewhat which is in that Arcade Cabinet) is my jam, but I've only played the 1992 Game Boy game, Bionic Commando's reboot for the PS3 and part of Bionic Commando Rearmed.


This video shows of the series from the Arcade till Rearmed 2: www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMi-S_zQKFU


If nothing else, give it a look so you can see the growth from the original Arcade Bionic Commando to the NES one which most people are talking about. There is naturally another round of changes for Bionic Commando Rearmed (PS3, 360, Steam) which is near the end of the video.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 10, 2016 - 9:52PM #5
Haka
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Important to note that the arcade version (which is always emulated from) is by far the best version when comparison to the NES for limitation reasons. Personally, Gun Smoke is the ultimate in challenge. One hit death and there is no way to turn around and shoot the people behind you, once you lose your power up's, fighting the second half of the bosses because a mountain climb without any equipment whatsoever. 


I'm not sure who at Capcom had such a merciless streak creating Gun Smoke but they are a genius.

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2016 - 7:09AM #6
Chuuko Softman
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@Gogeta - Yeah, Bionic Commando was another game I remember from the NES era and saw it at a friend's house but never actually testet it. Can I expect the higher difficulty as an arcade version here as well?


@Hakamichi - One achievement/trophy is to clear the game on one credit. Would be great if I did this using Gun Smoke :)Have you personally clocked it?


I was able to finish Ghost'n Goblins on one credit when it was out for the NES, but after this thread I am assuming the arcade version is torture compared.

4 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2016 - 11:25AM #7
Haka
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Sep 12, 2016 -- 7:09AM, Chuuko Softman wrote:


@Hakamichi - One achievement/trophy is to clear the game on one credit. Would be great if I did this using Gun Smoke :)Have you personally clocked it?


I was able to finish Ghost'n Goblins on one credit when it was out for the NES, but after this thread I am assuming the arcade version is torture compared.




Are you sure there was an achievement for that!? I only remember two achievements which was beating level 5 and 10 of Gun Smoke. I never finished the game but I spent my whole day getting to the last level and in the end I had to go to sleep which was majorly frustrating. Unfortunately I have not obtained such incredible bragging rights.


Finishing in one credit I'm sure would be almost impossible without eyesight and reaction time of a god. Ghosts N' Goblins to me, Is a lot easier in comparison. People speak stories of it's difficulty and Ghosts N' Goblins is indeed difficult but I have finished it a few times in my life.


I haven't played the Nes version og Ghosts N' Goblins but I have heard it's very tough, arcade version doesn't have any delay or noticable glitches so it's more fair, I suppose.


Ghouls N' Ghosts is the easiest in the series, though. Must have finished it 30+ times.


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4 years ago  ::  Sep 12, 2016 - 3:00PM #8
Gogeta
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Sep 12, 2016 -- 7:09AM, Chuuko Softman wrote:


@Gogeta - Yeah, Bionic Commando was another game I remember from the NES era and saw it at a friend's house but never actually testet it. Can I expect the higher difficulty as an arcade version here as well?




Hmm, I haven't played the original Arcade game (and the many ports) or the NES interpretation where it seems the mechanics got really good. 


All I can do is confirm that Bionic Commando (NES) looks difficult, Bionic Commando (1992 Game Boy) is very difficult despite introducing a password system for the first time and Bionic Commando Rearmed 1 (Steam, 360, PS3) seems to be meeting my challenge expectations for the series despite having autosaves, a more typical health bar, more mechanics than any prior Bionic Commando AFAIK and 5 upgradeable weapons switchable at any time making DMC4's Nero blush (prior games only let you pick one weapon at a time at most I believe).


I highly recommend that you start with any of those three since I have experience to say that the latter two are amazing games and heard enough about the NES game. Bionic Commando Rearmed in particular has 2 player coop (never tried) and tons of challenge rooms to try out as well.


I'll definitely look into documenting the differences between the Bionic Commando games when I get the time to do so anyway. 

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4 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2016 - 2:53AM #9
Chuuko Softman
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Sep 12, 2016 -- 11:25AM, Haka wrote:

Are you sure there was an achievement for that!? I only remember two achievements which was beating level 5 and 10 of Gun Smoke.



No, sorry for not being clearer. I meant there is an achievement for Capcom Arcade Cabinet as a whole. It doesn't matter which game you do it on, but you have to clear one of the 17 games on only one credit. I was hinting that my goal was to make Gun Smoke that game :)


Sep 12, 2016 -- 11:25AM, Haka wrote:

Finishing in one credit I'm sure would be almost impossible without eyesight and reaction time of a god.



Yeah, probably hard, but so are all the scrolling shoot'em ups right? You need to do a lot of memorisation and trial and error. I guess being good at fighters will help in Gun Smoke if you are an old school reactionary type of player.


Sep 12, 2016 -- 11:25AM, Haka wrote:

I haven't played the Nes version og Ghosts N' Goblins but I have heard it's very tough, arcade version doesn't have any delay or noticable glitches so it's more fair, I suppose.



Ah, so you mean, the arcade version might be easier due to no delays or glitches? In fact, the game should behave how you'd expect it to? Once I've cleared Gun Smoke, I'll start on Ghosts 'N' Goblins, followed by Bionic Commando :)


4 years ago  ::  Sep 13, 2016 - 5:10AM #10
Gogeta
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Sep 13, 2016 -- 2:53AM, Chuuko Softman wrote:


Ah, so you mean, the arcade version might be easier due to no delays or glitches? In fact, the game should behave how you'd expect it to? Once I've cleared Gun Smoke, I'll start on Ghosts 'N' Goblins, followed by Bionic Commando :)




Which one? Arcade, NES, 1992 and the GRIN 3D game all have the exact same title.


And if I haven't made it clear enough, the Capcom Arcade Cabinet doesn't have the arcade game though it does have Commando which was sort of forced into the same universe by the localisation of Bionic Commando but stuck ever since. Some but not all of the games in the Bionic Commando/Top Secret universe have Commando parts but I can tell you that the ones in Bionic Commando Rearmed aren't very engaging but I suppose they are meant to break up the pace a little can be done in seconds.

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